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It's Christmas — the season for making merry, going out and, if you're single, trying to snog people under the mistletoe before the pubs close. So I thought it would be a good time to look at one of the oldest assumptions in the Men vs Women book: I don't like the bar example.

First, and most obviously, it is not universally true. There are women and I am one of them who have walked up to guys in bars, asked them for sex, and been flat-out refused. Likewise I've known men who have been able to get quick and easy sex with very little effort. Second, not only does the bar example prop up unhelpful stereotypes about men that they always want sex , because biology and testosterone and grrr , it also drives a hammer-blow into the self-esteem of any woman who has been turned down for a casual shag.

Claiming that women can get sex just by clicking their fingers sets horny women up for a lifetime of disappointment, and gives men a reputation they can never possibly live up to. If you're into odd sexual studies, like me, you'll probably be thinking of the Russell Clark experiment. In , at Florida State University, students directed by Clark a social psychology professor , approached people of the opposite sex at random and all asked the same question:. I find you to be attractive. Would you go to bed with me tonight?

Assuming that men aren't simply aroused by awkwardly worded sentences, let's see why this might be the case. Clark believed there was an evolutionary reason: He backs this up by pointing to another part of the experiment which, curiously, is much less commonly cited that when the proposition changed to "would you like to go out with me tonight?

Others have suggested that it's about socially learned behaviour: Yet others have suggested that it's more about risk aversion: I suspect we're affected by a combination of those factors, but that doesn't matter for this discussion, because I'm going to take the conclusions of the experiment as read: So — happy ever after, then?

Presumably I, and all the rest of the women, can now simply pick and choose whom we want to have sex with and — with little to no effort on our part — entice them into bed, orgasm ourselves rigid, and frolick forever in our sexual Utopia? It almost goes without saying that people want different kinds of sex. You might like giving head, whereas I'd prefer it if you gave me a hand job.

I might like it rough and quick, while my friend wants to make much more gentle love. The fact that we all differ in preferences is obvious if you've watched any porn, read a book, or seen any human interaction ever. Although the bar example seems to show women in a very privileged and powerful position — the ones who hold the keys to the sexual kingdom, if you like — what is actually on offer is a very limited type of sex: This is problematic, because even if we accept the "women can easily get sex" proposition as true, we're not saying that women can fulfil their sexual needs easily, only that women can have this specific type of sex easily.

I'm happy to admit that women might be less inclined although not universally dis inclined — there are plenty of us on Craiglist too towards casual sex with strangers, for one or all of the reasons stated above. But that doesn't mean that men necessarily have stronger sexual desire. It's possible that all the women approached in the bar are horny, or would love a shag, they just wouldn't want the kind of shag they'd imagine is on offer when a total stranger approaches them for a quickie.

This experiment has been repeated a few times since the original. You can see fun examples of it on YouTube , and Clark himself repeated it in , and as recently as with similar results.

Failing any dramatic changes in societal norms around sex, I'd expect the results to be similar if it were repeated today. But that's not particularly surprising. The experiment and the bar example both offer a very specific type of sex. The type of sex that, rightly or wrongly, is associated with male desire and fantasy. Whether this is fantasy is biologically led, socially implanted, or simply a massive and mistaken generalisation on our part, it is nevertheless accepted as true, and provides the foundation on which the bar example is built.

Seen from this angle, the bar example fruitlessly begs the question, and amounts to no more than saying "men are likely to accept the kind of sex that we think men like". This tells us nothing about levels of female sexual desire, or whether we are indeed in a privileged position when it comes to sex. In fact, any attempt to draw conclusions about female sexual need based on a sexual offer defined by male fantasy is as good an example of male privilege as anything else.

I like sex more than some people, but less than others. You like different types of sex to me. There are hundreds of different things that prompt our decision to say "yes" to this particular person but "no" to that one. But whether it's society, biology, anecdote or sheer loneliness that prompts our sexual interactions, it's deeply unhelpful to tell women that they are privileged just because they can walk into a bar and have casual sex. It's much more interesting, surely, to ask: But science says so!

In , at Florida State University, students directed by Clark a social psychology professor , approached people of the opposite sex at random and all asked the same question: Is all sex the same?

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One might imagine he is proposing sex more often because his desire is not being met, but the data shows that even following his three successes 10 and 27 June, 12 July , he propositioned her again, on average, only 32 hours later. The wife concedes that their sex has "tapered", but that term hardly seems adequate to describe a drastic reduction from once every 42 hours to once every In my view, the man has a just grievance, and his spreadsheet proves it.

As with so many viral internet sensations, the backstory here is far more compelling than a mildly amusing list of disappointments. You could spend a long time adjudicating on the infrequency of this couple's coitus and the woman's apparent lack of interest. Even before the month of judgment began, even before he sat down at that laptop, straightened his back and set about naming the columns on that XL spreadsheet, he must have climbed into his side of the bed each night, comforting himself with the thought of the trap he was about to lay as his wife pretended to already be asleep.

Boy, would she get a wake-up call when she saw her cruel indifference laid out in undeniable black and white. And she did, but not the kind he intended. Given that a woman is allowed to refuse sex and a man is allowed to be frustrated by those rebuffs or vice versa , what part of the marital contract did he misread as "neither party must ever say what they're truly feeling"? At what point did the bad feelings inside regiment themselves into a neatly paginated plan of action?

Far better to ferment this stuff in some secret shed of the mind until that resentment is really frothing and pushing against the door and oozing through the keyhole. It'll have far more impact if you let that sucker blow when it's had a chance to really expand. But if you love him and want to please him it is not pretending. If your child were hurt would you pretend to have empathy while you hold them?

Instead of pretending, be honest with your husband, and then choose to put him first and have sex anyway! But I hear you, and I want to love you well. The bottom line is that my husband is wonderful. He fulfills my every need most of the time. Spiritually, he leads and challenges me in my walk with the Lord. Emotionally, he listens and stands by my side when I need him.

So, as a wife, I want to fulfill his needs as well, including his physical needs. Get in the mood! Send the kids to bed early, light candles, put on some music, have a glass of wine, and turn the lights down low. If romance is what you need, then do whatever it takes to put some romance in the air.

This is problematic, because even if we accept the "women can easily get sex" proposition as true, we're not saying that women can fulfil their sexual needs easily, only that women can have this specific type of sex easily.

I'm happy to admit that women might be less inclined although not universally dis inclined — there are plenty of us on Craiglist too towards casual sex with strangers, for one or all of the reasons stated above. But that doesn't mean that men necessarily have stronger sexual desire. It's possible that all the women approached in the bar are horny, or would love a shag, they just wouldn't want the kind of shag they'd imagine is on offer when a total stranger approaches them for a quickie.

This experiment has been repeated a few times since the original. You can see fun examples of it on YouTube , and Clark himself repeated it in , and as recently as with similar results. Failing any dramatic changes in societal norms around sex, I'd expect the results to be similar if it were repeated today. But that's not particularly surprising.

The experiment and the bar example both offer a very specific type of sex. The type of sex that, rightly or wrongly, is associated with male desire and fantasy. Whether this is fantasy is biologically led, socially implanted, or simply a massive and mistaken generalisation on our part, it is nevertheless accepted as true, and provides the foundation on which the bar example is built.

Seen from this angle, the bar example fruitlessly begs the question, and amounts to no more than saying "men are likely to accept the kind of sex that we think men like".

This tells us nothing about levels of female sexual desire, or whether we are indeed in a privileged position when it comes to sex. In fact, any attempt to draw conclusions about female sexual need based on a sexual offer defined by male fantasy is as good an example of male privilege as anything else. I like sex more than some people, but less than others. You like different types of sex to me. There are hundreds of different things that prompt our decision to say "yes" to this particular person but "no" to that one.

But whether it's society, biology, anecdote or sheer loneliness that prompts our sexual interactions, it's deeply unhelpful to tell women that they are privileged just because they can walk into a bar and have casual sex.

“If she doesn't want me, she somehow is not interested in me What these men are describing isn't perceived as: My partner doesn't want sex right now. A cold shrug or eye roll becomes, “Sorry, tonight I'm really not feeling it,” with a norms and assumptions about men and women's sexual desire. The idea that sex is something men want and women just put up with is old- fashioned and just plain silly. Of course we like sex. It's fun. You're losing your mind wondering, "my boyfriend won't have sex with me and I don't know why. The months have passed and now things have gone kind of stale in the bedroom. Babe universe is our community of real girls just like you where you can ask any Weird/gross, we're sorry, but it's true.